Q & A: Some Hard-Earned Advice on Publishing from Poets, Novelists and Historians

BY C.M. MAYO — December 27, 2021
UPDATE: This blog was then entitled Madam Mayo (2006-2022).

“Don’t be too impatient and don’t try to publish work that isn’t ready.”
—Christina Thompson

This blog posts on Mondays. Fourth Mondays of the month I devote to a Q & A with a fellow writer.

This fourth Monday of the month I’m dedicating this last Q & A of 2021 to some of the answers I have received to a question many of you, dear writerly readers—and workshop students— might find especially interesting.

C.M. MAYO: For those looking to publish, what would be your most hard-earned piece of advice?

From the Q & A with Biographer David O. Stewart, June 28, 2021:

DAVID O. STEWART: Nobody asked you to write that book.  You’re doing it for you.  If you can’t get it published, accept that they’re all a bunch of morons and move on.

From the Q & A with Essayist Susan J. Tweit, April 26, 2021:

SUSAN J. TWEIT: In the writing stage, be honest. When you get to a scene or place or event you want to skip over, stop and ask yourself, what am I afraid of? And then go there. Find the universal threads in your personal story—memoir works when it reaches beyond the personal into the territory that anyone can learn from. And when looking for an agent or publisher, be perseverant. Memoir is a crowded field these days, and yours has to be the best it can possibly be to stand out, and it also has to be so compelling that an editor or agent simply cannot put it down. 

From the Q & A with Historian Jan Cleere, March 22, 2021:

JAN CLEERE: Do your research before querying publishers and agents. You will save so much time if you know whether the publisher or agent you are querying accepts the type of book you are writing. There are several good websites that list publishers and/or agents and describe what they are looking for.

From the Q & A with Poet Karren Alenier, September 27, 2021:

KARREN ALENIER: If a publisher says s/he likes part of your manuscript, ask immediately if you can send a revision. Don’t delay by feeling sorry for yourself or thinking someone else might like the whole thing. Take your openings when they present.

From the Q & A with Novelist Solveig Eggerz, February 22, 2021:

SOLVEIG EGGERZ: Don’t waste years seeking an agent, a large publisher, a small publisher, or anything. Instead invest time and money in getting your work read and vetted 1) by your favorite writers group and 2) by an excellent developmental editor or mentor. Once you feel confident that you’ve written a good book, do what feels right regarding publishing.

From the Q & A with Novelist Kathleen Alcalá, May 24, 2021:

KATHLEEN ALCALÁ: Before submitting anything, research the market. If looking to publish in a magazine, purchase half a dozen or so that seem to be likely venues for your work. Look at them carefully and see if you fit in. This is a good place to start, rather than submitting book length manuscripts to publishers, because book editors read these magazines, too. It also gives you a chance to learn how to work with an editor, to receive suggestions and shape the best possible piece for the magazine. 

From the Q & A with Historian Christina Thompson, January 25, 2021

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: Don’t be too impatient and don’t try to publish work that isn’t ready. Also, I do recommend having some readers for your work-in-progress: a writing group or a class can really help you identify weaknesses in your writing that you might not be able to identify on your own. 

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My own hard-earned advice about publishing? Chances are, you’ll make some mistakes, some minor, others appalling, so why not lessen the number and the pain by learning from the mistakes of others?

My favorite answer is David O. Stewart’s: “Nobody asked you to write that book.  You’re doing it for you. If you can’t get it published, accept that they’re all a bunch of morons and move on.” I would add to that, don’t overlook the option of self-publishing. But again, and with self-publishing especially, it helps to learn from the mistakes of others. (On my writing workshop page, scroll down aways and you will find a batch of posts on publishing.)

May 2022 be a year filled with health, happiness, prosperity, and inspiration for you and yours. And if you’re looking to publish, may your path be blessed!

I welcome your courteous comments which, should you feel so moved, you can email to me here.

Q & A with Lynne Sharon Schwartz About Crossing Borders

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Edna Ferber’s Giant 
& A Selection of Related Books, 
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How Are Some of the Most Accomplished Writers and Poets Coping with the Digital Revolution? / Plus: My Own Logbook and Stopwatch for “Madam Mayo” Blog

BY C.M. MAYO — October 24, 2021
UPDATE: This blog was then entitled Madam Mayo (2006-2022).

This blog posts on Mondays. Fourth Mondays of the month I devote to a Q & A with a fellow writer. On occasion, as on this Monday, I look back over a compilation of responses to a specific question.

About a year ago I took a brief look back at how some of the most accomplished writers and poets (Katherine Dunn, Joanne Herschon, Barbara Crooker, Nancy Peacock, Bruce Berger, Sergio Troncoso, Eric Barnes, Joseph Hutshison, Mary Mackey, ) have been coping with the digital revolution. I’d say the responses were as unique as fingerprints. Time for an update.

C.M. MAYO: How has the Digital Revolution affected your writing? Specifically, has it become more challenging to stay focused with the siren calls of email, texting, blogs, online newspapers and magazines, social media, and such? If so, do you have some tips and tricks you might be able to share? 

Down with social media!

LYNNE SHARON SCHWARTZ: I avoid social media as much as possible—I think it is destroying critical thinking, as well as print journalism. A lot of it is simply garbage. I do like email, though I miss getting personal letters in the mail.”
—From Q & A with Lynne Sharon Schwartz About Crossing Borders, Madam Mayo blog, August 23, 2021

MATTHEW PENNOCK: “I am not particularly prolific. I do not write every day, and I’m often distracted by all the shows I can stream, and podcasts I can listen to. Social media has never really appealed to me, so I am okay there, but other than that, someone needs to give me some tips about how to get a little more done.”
—From Q & A with Poet Matthew Pennock on The Miracle Machine
Madam Mayo blog, November 23, 2020

ALVARO SANTANA-ACUÑA: “While I am writing, I minimize interruptions, including turning off my cellphone and notifications. I only turn it back on when I am having a break. In general, I try to use social media as little as possible. What I do is to log in, scroll down a few posts, and, if I have to post something, I do it and then log off. The truth is that, when we are on social media, we easily loose ownership of our time, which we put for free at the disposal of these companies. We become their workers. I prefer to use my time for other things.”
—From Q & A with Álvaro Santana-Acuña on Writing Ascent to Glory: How One Hundred Years of Solitude Was Written and Became a Global Classic, Madam Mayo blog, December 28, 2020

It depends…

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: “I think this depends on what stage one is at in the writing process. When you’re actually writing a book, all this stuff is a distraction and you have to be very careful not to waste too much time on it. But once your book is published, it becomes a lifeline to your readership, and the more you participate the better. So, I think it’s really a matter of making all these opportunities work for and not against you, and that takes a certain amount of discipline.”
—From Q & A with Christina Thompson on Sea People: The Puzzle of Polynesia, Madam Mayo blog, January 25, 2021

Balance

JAN CLEERE: “While digital sources have made a writer’s job more efficient when it comes to finding pertinent sources, it has also taken away that spontaneous delight of uncovering a long lost letter or hidden journal that has not yet been digitized. I try to focus on the business of writing separate from the hours I spend actually writing. Not always possible but I have found by trying to compartmentalize the creative from the business end of writing, I am more productive. The trick is to balance these activities so that by the end of the day, you feel you have put out all the fires as well as progressed with your writing.”
—From Q & A with Jan Cleere on Military Wives in Arizona Territory: A History of Women Who Shaped the Frontier, March 22, 2021

No problemo!

SOLVEIG EGGERZ: “Actually I love writing on the computer. I am not one to long for life in a cabin on a mountaintop where I write on a yellow pad free of technology. I don’t like to be surprised by “emergencies” days after they occur. I resolve the issue of disturbances by keeping my phone next to me, so I can glance at a message without shutting down my story. Maybe I am exaggerating my equanimity!”
—From Q & A with Solveig Eggerz on Sigga of Reykjavik, February 22, 2021

KARREN ALENIER: “I’m used to being interrupted. I grew up in house of six children. I was eldest. The point is when I am working, I am able to ignore the lure of online wonders like YouTube, blogs and newspapers. However, I like to work in silence and know that listening to radio, TV, or music is too distracting. Yes, my smart phone is an interrupter. Still I don’t turn that off because someone important to me might reach out and need me. Some of my friends get annoyed that I don’t read their Facebook pages except occasionally. The best way for me to get something done is to put it on my list of things to do. I take great pleasure in ticking off those items.”
—From Q & A with Karren Alenier on her New Book How We Hold On, the Word Works, Paul Bowles & More, Madam Mayo blog, September 27, 2021

DAVID O. STEWART: “For a lot of years, I was a trial and appellate lawyer with a dozen or more active cases at a time.  I used to describe my work as a life of interruptions.  Clients called.  Colleagues dropped by (remember offices?).  Opposing lawyers called.  Dumb firm meetings.  Interviewing job applicants.  I was constantly dropping one subject to pick up another.  I tried to be in my office by seven a.m. to get some uninterrupted time.  So these days, working at home by myself, I actually get antsy if I don’t have a few interruptionsI’m used to working for a stretch, taking a few minutes off to do something stupid (see social media) or annoying (see call health insurer), and then getting back to work.  It’s normal.”
—From Q & A with Biographer David O. Stewart on the Stunning Fact of George Washington, Madam Mayo blog, June 28, 2021

Go into another world…

SUSAN J. TWEIT:When I am writing, I am in another world. I turn off notifications on my phone and computer, so that I’m not distracted by the bing of email coming in or the ding of texts or news alerts. My daily routine is pretty simple: I post a haiku and photo on social media every morning (Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram), and answer any comments on my posts. After half an hour on social media—I set a timer—I read the news online. When I’ve finished with the news—which is research time for me, as news stories, especially those about science, are raw material for my writing—I write until the well runs dry. And then, usually at two or three in the afternoon, I allow myself to go back to social media, answer other comments, check the news. Then I close my laptop and go outside into the real world and walk for a mile or two on the trails around my neighborhood to clear my head. Getting outside into the “near-wild” of the greenbelt trails in my high-desert neighborhood keeps me sane in turbulent times, and refills my creative well. Nature is my medicine, inspiration, and my solace.”
—From Q & A with Susan J. Tweit on Her Memoir, Bless the Birds: Living with Love in a Time of Dying, April 26, 2021

KATHLEEN ALCALA: “All of this is terrible. I am so easily distracted. I will start laundry, open a file, take notes by hand, and forget what I had planned to do that day. For me, the best strategy is still the writing residency, away from home, where I don’t have any excuses and fewer distractions. This is especially needed when I am trying to organize large blocks of writing, such as the chapters in a novel.”
—From Q & A with Kathleen Alcalá on Spirits of the Ordinary, Madam Mayo blog, May 24, 2021

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My Own Logbook and Stopwatch
for Work on Madam Mayo Blog

The ever-increasing and OMG-so-many siren calls to the Internet—as a writer, it’s something I’ve been struggling with and pondering on for the past many years. I’ve had some continuing frustrations, but also some successes, and I’ve blogged about the latter (see my writing workshop archive). Tips & Tricks for Coping with Digital Distractions, that’s a book I’m not going to write because I’m already writing another book, with two others contemplated after that, in addition to hosting this blog. Enough already!

But I will offer a word on my strategy for fitting Madam Mayo blog into my week. This blog has been ongoing since 2006, and since 2019, on a regular schedule of posting on Mondays. Although for years I resisted establishing a regular schedule, to my surprise, it has made the blog far easier to manage.

One of the biggest challenges to the sort of blogging I do is that because there’s no editor, no paying subscribers, it’s easy to have the whole show just ooze on out into who-knows-what-who-knows-when.

If you enjoy writing, watch out, blogging can take over your writing life!

Blogging then, for me, is what behavior modification expert B.J. Fogg, in his book Tiny Habits, terms a “downhill habit,” that is, a habit “that is easy to maintain but difficult to stop.” (Of course, on the other hand, for many people, blogging is, as per B.J. Fogg, an “uphill habit,” that is, one that requires ongoing attention to maintain but is easy to stop.)

Starting in January of 2021, I have been attending to the tiny habit of logging the time I spend on Madam Mayo blog, aiming for about two hours per week, never more than an hour a day, and also aiming for putting my attention on it (including dispatching any related emails) only on Sundays, Mondays, and Wednesdays. When I sit down to work on Madam Mayo blog, I open a digital stopwatch app. When I’m done, I note the date and time spent in the logbook. Was it as scheduled, and within the time limit? If so, I give the entry a check mark and do the B.J. Fogg prescribed “celebration.” Yes, it’s kind of nerdy, but I have been finding this system, or rather, set of tiny habits, balancing, energizing, efficient and, hey, just fun.

I welcome your courteous comments which, should you feel so moved, you can email to me here.

A Visit to El Paso’s “The Equestrian”

Fearless Fabian / 
Plus From the Archives: 
“The Vivid Dreamer” Writing Workshop 

from the Guadalupe Mountains National Park

This Writer’s PFWP and NTDN Lists: 
Two Tools for Resilience and Focus

Q & A with Christina Thompson on “Sea People: The Puzzle of Polynesia”

A very clever agent once told me to write for the smartest person I know who knew nothing about my subject. I thought this was great advice, and I have both kept it in mind for myself and passed it along to my students ever since
— Christina Thompson

This blog posts on Mondays. Fourth Mondays of the month I devote to a Q & A with a fellow writer.

Splendidly written and deeply researched, Christina Thompson’s Sea Peoples will appeal to not only specialists on Polynesia but any discerning reader with a broad interest in history—or, I should say, the enduring question of what it means to be human. What brought me to read Sea People is my interest in what historian David M. Wrobel calls the “global frontier.” My own work in-progress is on Far West Texas, which, like Polynesia, saw its first European explorers, then Euro-American colonizers, within roughly the same time frame. One might call Far West Texas a sort of reverse Polynesia: it is a desert land with widely scattered oases. Like Polynesia, anyone who would attempt to travel through it risked mortal danger. When and how did the Polynesians sail into that vast watery expanse of the globe and settle the islands from New Zealand to Hawai’i to Easter Island? Thompson uncovers a riveting and profoundly important story.

C.M. MAYO: In brief, what inspired you to write Sea People?

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: There’s a chapter in my previous book in which I describe the experience of staying behind in Honolulu while my husband traveled with our young son to NZ for his father’s funeral. My husband is Maori and, of course, I knew the big story about Polynesia—how the Islanders in Hawai‘i and Easter Island and New Zealand and everywhere in between were all part of one big family. But the breathtaking reality of what that actually entailed came home to me in a new way when I looked out at the Pacific from Honolulu and thought about how far away New Zealand was. Sea People is an attempt to work out the implications of that understanding.

C.M. MAYO: As you were writing, did you have in mind an ideal reader?

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: A very clever agent once told me to write for the smartest person I know who knew nothing about my subject. I thought this was great advice, and I have both kept it in mind for myself and passed it along to my students ever since. 

C.M. MAYO: Now that it has been published, can you describe the ideal reader for this book as you see him or her now?


CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I learned a lot of things in the course of writing this book, and I ended up explaining some fairly esoteric subjects, like the theory behind coral atoll formation, or how radiocarbon dating actually works, or what a reconstructed proto-language is. My working assumption was always that if I found these things fascinating, my ideal reader most likely would too. 

C.M. MAYO: In your researches, what are the one or two things that most surprised you to uncover?

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I was amazed to learn that a very tiny number of potsherds had been discovered in the Marquesas, 3,500 miles from the nearest island in which pottery is known to have been made. The implication is that those sherds were likely carried there nearly 1000 years ago by some very early voyager.

I was also fascinated by the fact that European explorers sometimes found signs that islands had once supported significant populations which had since disappeared, leaving us to wonder what happened to those people.

C.M. MAYO: Can you share any surprises for you about your book’s reception?


CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I definitely did not anticipate how many male readers I would have. A great deal of the enthusiasm for this book has come from men, many of whom work in technical fields. I was so surprised by this that I wrote a little essay about it for the American Scholar.

C.M. MAYO: Which writers have been the most important influences for you as a writer of narrative nonfiction? And for Sea People in particular?

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: Bruce Chatwin’s In Patagonia is one of my touchstones; it opened my eyes to what could be done with travel narratives and history and a geographical perspective. Another writer in a similar vein who had a great influence on me is Jonathan Raban, author of the very wonderful Bad Land. Theoretically I am very indebted to a profoundly creative Australian historian named Greg Dening, and when I want to be reminded how to write about the islands, I look to Somerset Maugham and Robert Louis Stevenson’s masterful descriptive passages. 

C.M. MAYO: Which writers are you reading now? 

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I’m currently reading Julia Blackburn’s Time Song, T. M. Luhrmann’s When God Talks Back, and Daniel Mendelsohn’s Three Rings, plus a Brodie Jackson novel by Kate Atkinson.

C.M. MAYO: How has the Digital Revolution affected your writing? Specifically, has it become more challenging to stay focused with the siren calls of email, texting, blogs, online newspapers and magazines, social media, and such? If so, do you have some tips and tricks you might be able to share? 

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I think this depends on what stage one is at in the writing process. When you’re actually writing a book, all this stuff is a distraction and you have to be very careful not to waste too much time on it. But once your book is published, it becomes a lifeline to your readership, and the more you participate the better. So, I think it’s really a matter of making all these opportunities work for and not against you, and that takes a certain amount of discipline. 

C.M. MAYO: For writers of narrative nonfiction keeping notes and papers organized can be more than tremendously challenging. Would you have any tips to share? 

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I have a bad system. I take notes on what I’m reading in a series of composition notebooks (the black and white marbled kind). I am always reading several books at once and the notes get all jumbled, a few pages about this book, then a few pages about something else, then some pages about a third thing. I never know where anything is. But then when I read back through the notebooks, it’s like a narrative of my reading history and I can see the threads of ideas and themes that interest me. One thing I am scrupulous about, however, is keeping track of page numbers and bibliographic citations. 

C.M. MAYO: For those looking to publish, what would be your most hard-earned piece of advice?

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: Don’t be too impatient and don’t try to publish work that isn’t ready. Also, I do recommend having some readers for your work-in-progress: a writing group or a class can really help you identify weaknesses in your writing that you might not be able to identify on your own. 

C.M. MAYO: What’s next for you as a writer?

CHRISTINA THOMPSON: I’m working on a book about early 19th century missionaries in the Pacific. They are a very polarizing group and they had a very big impact on island societies. I want to try to understand their experience, as well as the experience of the people they set out to evangelize, and the lasting consequences of these encounters. 

> Visit Christina Thompson’s website and learn more at www.christinathompson.net

Q & A with Timothy Heyman on the Incomparable Legacy of 
German-Mexican Novelist B. Traven

From the Writer’s Carousel: Literary Travel Writing

Lord Kingsborough’s Antiquities of Mexico

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My new book is Meteor

Timothy Heyman on B. Traven in “Literal,” Christina Thompson’s “Sea Peoples,” Cal Newport’s “Deep Questions” Podcast & More Cyberflanerie

Literal Magazine has just published my interview with Timothy Heyman about the incomparable legacy of German-Mexican novelist B. Traven— and the mystery, apparently solved, of Traven’s true identity. You can also read Heyman’s essay “Traven’s Triumph” here.

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Earlier this month I published my annual top books read list, so I’ll have to add Christina Thompson’s Sea Peoples: The Puzzle of Polynesia, which I am only a couple of chapters away from finishing, to the 2021 list. What a delight it is! More delightful still to discover Thompson’s webpage with podcasts and YouTube interviews galore.

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This is the time of year for cooking, and with the pandemic, that means even more cooking. My partners in this endeavor, otherwise employed as my writing assistants, communicate by means of dagger-looks which I, by long experience, know to translate as “Gimme me the ham!” and then again, “Gimme the ham!” And then: “Gimme the ham!” Thank goodness for podcasts!

My go-to podcast for the past week has been Cal Newport’s “Deep Questions.” He’s the Joyce Carol Oates of best-sellerdom, that is, to say, how in thundernation does he manage to do so much (and be a tenured professor of computer science)? He tries to explain it in his podcast! As I stir soup and chop the potatoes (…and, as commanded, distribute tiny bites of ham…) I find his podcast strangely soothing.

More cyberflanerie:

My amiga poet, essayist and translator Patricia Dubrava has posted her top books read list here; and novelist, short story writer and essayist Leslie Pietrzyk has posted hers here.

Recommended by my writing assistants:
Pugsnuggly, PugNotes (love the Bummlies!), and the ever-wonderful Apifera Farm and shop of artist Katherine Dunn.

A Glimpse of the New Literary Puzzlescape

Consider the Typewriter

What Is Writing (Really)? 
Plus A New Video of Yours Truly Talking About 
Four Exceedingly Rare Books Essential 
for Scholars of the Mexican Revolution